Something I can’t talk about
You see the first rule of fight club is – you don’t talk about fight club. Honestly, what is the point of an NDA when others are able to talk…?
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July 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
There is nothing more annoying or damaging to an analyst than for someone in related field (analyst/press) to break an NDA. It not only ruins their own reputation, but damages the credibility of their peers.
July 9th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
don’t you find it funny that it seems virtualization.info is ALWAYS the site that has these types of news leaks.
July 9th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
When i see things like that it worries me that VMware will clamp down on a already difficult to get in beta program.
July 9th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Mike after being a loyal reader for long time and using RTFM to get me out of a jam 2 times. I find this to be really disappointing, just because a few dopes write about new features and break an NDA doesn’t mean that you need to follow.
July 9th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
@Craig: Mike isn’t exactly following suit.
If the cat is out of the bag, it is out of the bag.
July 9th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
@Craig chill out, pal. Mike’s fire proof and has done nothing wrong.
Mike, you can send that fiver to…
July 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
In no way would I construe this post as being in violation of an NDA. Linking to public information is a common practice and there is no way of knowing that that information was leaked resulting in a violation of an NDA by a 3rd party, only virtualization.info and VMware would be privy to that information. I think that you brought out a good point and question “Why can’t I talk about this, but others can?”. It is mere speculation to make any judgement regarding information made public by a 3rd party. Just my opinion on the matter.
July 9th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Craig, I don’t see where Mike ‘is following’. He states his position, and a respectable one also imo. I believe that everyone has the right to be pissed off if someone breaks the rules that everyone agree to follow. No?
July 9th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
If I recall correctly from reading the partner email I got on Wednesday (or rather the linked documentation), there was supposed to be strict NDA on this for a week or so….
But….to me at least this isn’t you leaking but complaining about someone else leaking…. (now if you link to every single leak out there for Google juice I might change my opinion but until then…
July 9th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
^^bump^^
Let’s all take a relaxing virutal chill pill. RTFM has tons of great references, information and “stop you in your tracks” direction. Please do not pass judgement based on one opinion. By the end of the day, multiple sites will be linking and reporting the same thing. More than likely other virtualization sites that don’t normally report on VMware will be reporting the same informtion by Monday.
Honestly, I don’t know Craig at all, but perhaps he was just making his opionin known – like the rest of us do. Maybe cut him some slack?
@Craig Remember this isn’t your blogspot – so be prepared for people to respond. (Yours blog just got added to my list to read)
@Mike – I can’t believe I chose this post in the multitude of posts I’ve read here to be my first response. tweet on
July 9th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Here’s the way I see it. When one lone small blog or torrent gets out there, don’t link to it — that just points a spotlight their way for both people and Googlebot. I’d rather make NDA material *hard* to find and not easily googleable. Instead, email me (jtroyer@vmware.com) and I’ll go send ninja assassins their way.
But by the time a big blog or other major site has published it, there’s not much more damage you can do. The danger in talking about somebody *else’s* NDA violation is that you can inadvertently leak more information if, for instance, you’re in the beta. Then that’s *your* problem, not the original leakers, and I will send my ninja assassins after *you*. So it’s not a huge problem, but if you want to be on the safe side, sit on your hands.
July 9th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Smiles. Please don’t send the ninja assassins. My blogpost was made with a sense of frustration of someone who see’s himself being a good boy, whilst others don’t feel obligated to behave in a professional manner. What ticked me off is how their fight club rules for the many, that are simply ignored by the few…
There’s tons of juicy stuff that never makes my blog because of my concerns over breaching the agreements I take very seriously. I’ve have once slight over stepped the mark, and I had the entry edited and changes within a day.
With that said, I don’t think its my job to try and put a lid back on top of pandoras box – after all I’m not VMware…
July 9th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
I’ve always wanted to write an article about NDAs but then I have not wanted to piss on a few people that constantly break them… I guess being nice does not always pay off so I will let lose here.
Each year at the Apple WWDC I stop what I’m doing to watch Steve Jobs show off what is new. My head it glued to the screen reading small bits about what is going on live… Why do I do this? Because I love Apple? NO it is not… It is because I don’t know and I want to know what is coming and due to this fact, Steve Jobs has my undivided attention…
A few years ago, at a Citrix conference, the Citrix CEO stood on stage and TOLD the audience NOT to say anything about upcoming name changes. Citrix wanted / needed time to inform their partners and get everyone on the same page so they could all go to market with a consistent message but one kid sat there, ignored the CEOs wishes and tweeted it. That ‘kid’ thought he was cool and he says he loves ‘Citrix’ but does he?
I argue he is a selfish piece of work… A person that wanted the credit that “HE” broke the store vs. wanting Citrix to have the WOW factor Jobs gets. I would argue, that person and anyone that purposely breaks NDAs are thieves. The ‘steal’ from the company’s info they are releasing. If you ask me, those people should be banned from anything NDA and should be fired from their jobs… I truly despise them as in the end it hurts us all…
So tell me how you feel Doug? I just did… Break an NDA for personal / business gain and you should be locked up or crucified (that would stop them)…
July 10th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Mike
I completely agree with you. Working for a VMware partner I am aware of certain details however I am bound by an NDA and hence cannot and will not divulge any info.
The fact that this was leaked means someone broke NDA somewhere and others feel it is free game to spread the word. I would have hoped some discresion would have been shown.
We are all excited but we still have to wait for the official announcement or release, whenever that may be.
July 10th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Mike,
You know which side of the NDA argument I stand. I too have had many meaty issues and snippets of information that I have had to sit on due to embargos and NDA’s, only to find that there has been another “scoop” on one of two sites. Both these sites are constantly publishing infomation that only those on the Beta or subject to embargo can know. it is about time VMware enforce their NDA’s and Press Embargos with sanctions. If only to protect those that are playing by the rules.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
@ Mike … I hear you there and agree. No ninja assassins on the way.
. Had I known you did that out of frustration I would have responded differently.
Also an excellent point about Pandora’s box.
July 15th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
@Mike: I totally agree with you. I’ve know the ins and out of vSphere 4.1 for a long time because I was in the Beta program and the July 13th release date was no surprise either. But I respect the VMware NDA and haven’t blogged about it until it was released. But it’s very hard to sit on your hands and see other so called ‘Trusted Advisors’ breaching the NDA. I also agree with Tom that VMware should enforce their NDA’s, rejecting these people from future Betas ,etc.